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Slip Rook. (Updated!) Piece that moves as a Rook, but only an odd amount of moves.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
Jörg Knappen wrote on Mon, Apr 14 09:57 AM UTC:

Another minor one: Dabbaba is better spelled without an h at the end: The underlying Arabic does not have one either.


📝Kelvin Voskuijl wrote on Tue, Apr 15 05:39 PM UTC:

Are there other things I should add?


🕸📝Fergus Duniho wrote on Tue, Apr 15 07:40 PM UTC:

Are you able to provide links or more complete citations to the sources you cite on this piece?


📝Kelvin Voskuijl wrote on Tue, Apr 15 07:43 PM UTC in reply to Fergus Duniho from 07:40 PM:

removed


📝Kelvin Voskuijl wrote on Tue, Apr 15 07:56 PM UTC in reply to Fergus Duniho from 07:40 PM:

https://www.scribd.com/document/335068737/Chess-Simple-Variants page 10


Bn Em wrote on Wed, Apr 16 12:43 AM UTC in reply to Kelvin Voskuijl from Tue Apr 15 07:56 PM:

Presumably Fergus meant adding the relevant links to the actual text of the page. I'd be particularly interested in a Parlett reference if you can track it down. Likewise a link to at least one of the Gilman games (probably Commedia dell'Arte, maybe GraTiA; could in principle also cite M&B6) referred to wouldn't be amiss, and you could also mention Rook Mania which seems to be the only other game using it so far (discounting one I've been cooking up).

Searching for both Panda and Slip‐Rook using the Google Custom Search I have the distinct impression that the Panda is most popular as a piece component rather than on its own: it's been combined with the Ferz (or as Bastion), the Knight, the Bishop, and of course the Slip‐Bishop (as Harlequin or Erlqueen); allowed to capture as full Rook; and there's even been an augmented halfling version.

Obviously these latter aren't the slip‐rook itself, but it's been noted a couple of times that, especially for less‐common pieces like these, covering closely‐related pieces on the same Piececlopedia page (especially when these are themselves too rare to warrant an article of their own) might be worth doing — I've done this on both of my Piececlopedia articles and H. G. has suggested the same recently.

Probably the 5 different versions discussed in M&B6 aren't worth mentioning: all appearances thus far seem to be ‘even‐leap’ — not even the lame panda seems to have seen use (though, for reasons that make sense in context, my aforementioned unsubmitted idea involves an ‘odd‐leap’ panda). Likewise Fender and Marshswitcher (M&B6/8 for Panda+F/N) probably don't deserve mention as they were never used in a game under those names.


📝Kelvin Voskuijl wrote on Wed, Apr 16 09:02 AM UTC in reply to Bn Em from 12:43 AM:

I fully support the adding of the rare compounds, like you suggested. Will also add the sources. Man and Beast are probably too much.


HaruN Y wrote on Wed, Apr 16 09:20 AM UTC in reply to Bn Em from 12:43 AM:

I can only find references where George Peter Jellis typed it.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.mayhematics.com/v/simplevariants.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjI6q7hldyMAxXKlu4BHRwtI7sQFnoECCcQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0rHQ4hHidq7b6Q3qUzAa6Y


📝Kelvin Voskuijl wrote on Wed, Apr 16 12:11 PM UTC:

Maybe Slip Queen/Erlkönigin deserves its own page.


🕸📝Fergus Duniho wrote on Fri, Apr 18 05:27 PM UTC:

I made some changes to the text and added an AI concept art image of a Slip-Rook. I did try making images of a Panda, but its coloring makes it hard to distinguish white and black pieces while also keeping it recognizable as a panda. I am currently hunting through online copies of The Problemist to find any reference to this piece. I looked for Parlett and Jelliss in the index, found Jelliss, and am looking through the pages he is on.


📝Kelvin Voskuijl wrote on Fri, Apr 18 05:39 PM UTC in reply to Fergus Duniho from 05:27 PM:

According to Jelliss, it appeared in a 1977 problem there by JJ Secker

Edit: problem found in november 1977 issue. It is problem F407. The magazine also mentions invention by Parlett


🕸📝Fergus Duniho wrote on Fri, Apr 18 08:20 PM UTC in reply to Kelvin Voskuijl from 05:39 PM:

Thanks for mentioning that, since I had already gone past it. I'll add details after I have taken care of some chores and errands.


🕸📝Fergus Duniho wrote on Sat, Apr 19 02:13 AM UTC:

I have now published this. I added a fairy chess problem that was published for the piece, and I added myself as co-author.


🕸📝Fergus Duniho wrote on Sat, Apr 19 02:12 PM UTC:

What is the xBetza code for a Slip Rook?


HaruN Y wrote on Sat, Apr 19 02:53 PM UTC in reply to Fergus Duniho from 02:12 PM:Excellent ★★★★★

qR, [W?DD], WyyafW, or (afmpaf)W.


🕸📝Fergus Duniho wrote on Sat, Apr 19 05:15 PM UTC:

I am trying to create an Interactive Diagram for the fairy chess problem I included on the page, but it is adding extra Black pieces I have not designated in the ID code. How can I fix this? For the sake of comparison, I am currently displaying the static diagram along with it. Once the ID works, I'll hide the static diagram when JavaScript is enabled.


HaruN Y wrote on Sat, Apr 19 05:29 PM UTC in reply to Fergus Duniho from 05:15 PM:Excellent ★★★★★

symmetry=none


🔔Notification on Sat, Apr 19 05:51 PM UTC:

The editor Fergus Duniho has revised this page.


🕸📝Fergus Duniho wrote on Sat, Apr 19 05:53 PM UTC in reply to HaruN Y from 05:29 PM:

Thanks, that fixed it.


📝Kelvin Voskuijl wrote on Sun, Apr 20 08:47 AM UTC:

It is still not on the piececlopedia page


🕸📝Fergus Duniho wrote on Sun, Apr 20 07:03 PM UTC in reply to Kelvin Voskuijl from 08:47 AM:

Thanks for the reminder. I have now added it to the Bent Riders section under Hybrids.


HaruN Y wrote on Tue, May 6 05:23 AM UTC:Excellent ★★★★★

Note that my Sloppy Slippers are not the first army to have a Crowned Panda. FerzPanda is used in Short Splicers. Panda-Darter might be more common than (0,1 ; 0,2)Leaper-Rider. Panda-Darter is used in Bichromatic Chess & it's variants, GraTiA, Castle Warfare, etc.


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